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Closest match: Libertarian Socialism when I'd describe myself more as a Liberal Socialist. #127

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CrazyRei opened this issue Oct 20, 2020 · 3 comments · May be fixed by #153
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Closest match: Libertarian Socialism when I'd describe myself more as a Liberal Socialist. #127

CrazyRei opened this issue Oct 20, 2020 · 3 comments · May be fixed by #153

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@CrazyRei
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CrazyRei commented Oct 20, 2020

@Genora51
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Liberal Socialism is definitely something that could be added to the ideology matching system. I’m curious though: how would its target values differ from those of, say, Democratic Socialism (which inhabits a very similar area on the 8values spectrum)?

Nonetheless it’s interesting that your result on the civil axis was more libertarian than you expected. I’m inclined to take a second look at some of the questions which influence both the economic and civil axis, as I suspect that there may be some tendency for questions to influence both axes in similar directions (reducing linear independence on the axes). Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

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CrazyRei commented Oct 21, 2020

Well, it was brought to my attention when some random person I was arguing with mentioned that their only objection to "Workplace Democracy", would be the potential for it to strip people of their choice between working for a private company or a worker-owned co-op, and it struck a chord in me.
Which I guess is what led me to do a little more research.

"Liberal socialism has been particularly prominent in British and Italian politics.[6] Its seminal ideas can be traced to John Stuart Mill, who theorised that capitalist societies should experience a gradual process of socialisation through worker-controlled enterprises, coexisting with private enterprises.[31] Mill rejected centralised models of socialism that he thought might discourage competition and creativity, but he argued that representation is essential in a free government and democracy could not subsist if economic opportunities were not well distributed, therefore conceiving democracy not just as form of representative government, but as an entire social organisation.[32]"

Edit: Almost omitted this crucial part as well.
"Liberal socialism has been compared to post-war social democracy[2] as it supports a mixed economy that includes both private property and social ownership in capital goods.[3] While social democracy is anti-capitalist insofar as criticism of capitalism is linked to the private ownership of the means of production,[4] liberal socialism identifies artificial and legalistic monopolies to be the fault of capitalism[5] and opposes an entirely unregulated market economy.[6] "

Or, to oversimplify it I guess:
Libertarian Socialists would call for ALL enterprises to be run democratically, and Liberal Socialists would want democratically operated enterprises to compete against these Little Monarchies Private Enterprises, to see which is more successful in the long-run.
Edit: That's probably going to be a good way to distinguish Libertarian Socialism from Liberal Socialism.

Edit 2: Also have to give props to the accuracy of this Wiki page, honestly.

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For me, I also view myself as a Liberal Socialist after the test because of the economic axis and liberal axis results I have.
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=76.3&d=87.2&g=75.0&s=77.7

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