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Experimental identification of target for Series 3 #561
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@holeung Copied from #549 A related analogue, https://www.ebi.ac.uk/chembl/compound/inspect/CHEMBL3759356 is known. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ejmech.2015.11.012 may include useful chemistry. |
This paper https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1432-1327.2001.02403.x refers to the H89 cAMP-dependent protein kinase inhibitor blocks Plasmodium falciparum development in infected erythrocytes. H89 (https://www.ebi.ac.uk/chembl/compound/inspect/CHEMBL104264) has been extensively studied and might be worth looking at as an additional chemotype. |
Since this is a kinase target is it worth approaching the ICR (https://www.icr.ac.uk) to see it they have a box of a range of kinase inhibitors that they may be willing to let you test? I'd be happy to make introductions. |
@MFernflower I suspect ICR will have access to most/all published kinase inhibitors, together with a variety of molecules that illustrate the different hinge binding motifs. |
@drc007 Fair enough - but screening 20+ kinase inhibitors is a pretty massive task |
Thanks for the suggestions! Sorry, I may be missing a step here. What is the rationale for screening kinase inhibitors as part of this project? Other groups have already screened some kinase inhibitors against Pf, such as in the Dundee group, Hallyburton (2017), Malar J 16:446, DOI 10.1186/s12936-017-2085-4. |
I think its worth finding out the kinase our s3 drugs hit as opposed to shotgun screening random cancer meds @drc007 @holeung But I did find something interesting: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02614404 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5074466/ Once we find the kinase that we hit - we can using docking to hone molecules to target just that kinase - pretty much cancer drug design but for malaria |
@holeung I thought you were planning to express potential kinase targets? Almost all kinase inhibitors bind to the hinge binding region, so a simple approach would be test representative examples of different hinge binding motifs to select the most active for your candidate kinase. |
I still do not understand why we should screen stuff other than our s3 lead
molecule @drc007
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@holeung <https://github.com/holeung> I thought you were planning to
express potential kinase targets? Almost all kinase inhibitors bind to the
hinge binding region, so a simple approach would be test representative
examples of different hinge binding motifs to select the most active for
your candidate kinase.
@MFernflower <https://github.com/mfernflower> Kinase screening is a
pretty straightforward assay.
@holeung <https://github.com/holeung> If you plan to use saturation
transfer difference NMR then will you be looking for fragments? I could
give you a list of known kinase inhibiting fragments that you could try.
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@MFernflower Several reasons. Expressing a potential kinase target is a considerable amount of effort, if you only test the s3 lead and it is inactive do you then just drop that potential target? Surely better to have a range of different chemotypes that can perhaps identify an inhibitor that can then be used to evaluate against Plasmodium to see if that kinase is a potential useful target. |
@drc007 hence why cell lysate is better than single gene expression!
We screen s3 lead in cell lysate - find what stuff it hits - find compounds
that do the same and screen those on live malaria cells!
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@MFernflower How do you find out what the compound binds to in a lysate? |
@holeung , that is fantastic news! More people working on Series 3! |
Hi @holeung - it's fantastic that you've secured a grant for this. Congratulations. MoA on Series 3 is super interesting. If the mechanism is new, this molecules is seriously attractive. ICR for samples to potentially hit the expressed target? Sounds like an excellent idea, particularly if they could (eventually) engage in the relevant conversations here, rather than by email. Very good if you're willing to make intros @drc007 I fully agree that S3 compounds (active and inactive) should be tested alongside other potential inhibitors, since that provides a richer dataset. @MFernflower - adding compounds to lysate works if you've tagged the S3 compounds with something that allows you to fish them out again - usually biotin - a whole extra level of complexity. Here we're being kick-started by @holeung's predictions and those of Vito (#503), giving us rational, specific targets. However, @holeung mentions DARTS, which is a possibility for the lysate idea and which could be interrogated by OSM-S-106 and some negative controls. (By "plasmodium lysate" what do you mean, exactly @holeung - is there a protocol or technical description (I've a pretty good idea of what it means colloquially) that we could circulate to the community?) However, feeding into this discussion is that the Winzeler lab is currently looking at the Series 3 mechanism of action through the generation of mutants resistant to OSM-S-106 (see #524) as @mbhebhe reminds us above. There are also the MoA-relevant metabolomics data derived from Anubhav Srivastava and Darren Creek, also in #524. These are parallel approaches to those described here, but could strongly inform the selection of specific targets for expression (i.e. bolster approach 1, above). It seems to me that the predictions have given some good, specific targets to look into unless I'm misreading the data. Synthesis of the carboxylic acid looks like a great target for @mbhebhe and one she already has a plan for, I see above. Compounds in 10.1016/j.ejmech.2015.11.012 are certainly interesting @drc007. Have we reached out to this group for possible samples - my memory tells me we were thinking of doing that? I'm happy to unless someone else knows them. |
One of the authors of 10.1016/j.ejmech.2015.11.012 has asked by email "How much material is needed and in what form (solid, dissolved etc?)" @holeung I guess it depends what we're doing with them, right? But 2 mg solid form would be enough for most things, I'd imagine? |
We should send small portions of those compounds out to dundee for potency eval too @mattodd
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@mattodd Would it worth contacting the authors here ? https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0181585 |
Thanks so much for all the ideas and reaching out to other groups. This is a small, one year pilot grant which will hopefully lead to bigger things... exploration of the plasmodium kinome and full structure-based drug design of OSM compounds. I am busy with the paperwork but will be updating my ELNs here on the docking we've done on the full list of essential kinases. We will have limited screening ability (well, we have the ability but probably not the $$$), here but hopefully can share protein with other labs with more HTS abilities. |
Yes, 2 mg of compounds should be plenty. Can we ask for 5-10 mgs of OSM-S-106? We haven't been able to find a source of plasmodium lysate so we will have to put those experiments on hold. Lysate would be isolated plasmodium from erythocytes, then broken up in a fancy blender, and then fractionated into membrane and non-membrane associated components. |
We can give you 5 mg of OSM-S-106 |
@holeung @mattodd I think exploration of the plasmodium kinome could be very fruitful. I'd encourage you to aim big! A collaboration with the efforts to produce a public chemogenomic set for protein kinases (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0181585) could be a really useful way forward. This could give you chemical starting points for any kinases that you isolate without the need to resort to HTS. |
Agreed @drc007 - a great team to work with in that paper. In the short term (i.e. here) we need to validate that we are dealing with a kinase inhibitor in OSM-S-106, though, right? Longer term we could request probes of this kind against kinases expressed by @holeung (generating new OSM series) and obviously contribute OSM starting points to any ongoing kinome projects. Did you have something else in mind for now @drc007 ? @holeung shall we ship OSM-S-106 to you now, or later? |
Hi,
It was actually reading about the human kinase inhibitor box that initiated this idea. If you can provide contacts it would be appreciated
Cheers,
Chris
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Are you aware of the human kinase inhibitors box The Published Kinase Inhibitor Set (PKIS)- (many of which, I’m sure would impact pathogens) available for screening from GSK - link here + contact details for obtaining the box.
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/chembldb/extra/PKIS/ <https://www.ebi.ac.uk/chembldb/extra/PKIS/>
The Published Kinase Inhibitor Set (PKIS) is a collection of 376 compounds that have been made available by GSK for screening by external groups; all compounds have been published in the scientific literature.
MMV can provide aditional contact info, if interested DM me
MMv has not therefore prioritised the assembly of a kinase box We do have 3 new boxes in planning, details soon
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Bill Zuercher is now at UNC but still distributes the compounds. His contact details are [email protected] If you are planning an NTD kinase box it may be worth thinking about how groups obtaining new hits could be further supported to optimise these hits to obtain a desired selectivity (particularly over human kinases) Paul |
Yes, we already have the PKIS box in our lab. Thank you! @PaulWillisMMV |
Mat – sorry for the delay.
I will write to GSK and ask about construction of a box. I am not sure if they’d run a kinase panel. I’ll check.
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Hi @mpollastri<https://github.com/mpollastri> - that'd be very good, yes. a) OSM would love to test OSM-S-106 against any relevant kinases (e.g. if GSK ran such assays) and b) the idea of a box of compounds with proven ability to inhibit kinases relevant to NTDs might be an interesting idea. I certainly think it's interesting, as do other people here, but I'd be super-interested if GSK had considered this and either want to pursue it or decided against it for some reason. If you're happy to reach out to them and report back (to the extent they are happy for that) that'd be very good.
Oh and welcome aboard, Mike. We're lucky to have you contribute directly.
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Do not really know if this is of help to you guys but it seems human TYKI's can kill malaria parasites: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26142327 |
Also comments on twitter https://twitter.com/O_S_M/status/1011477937806237696 Aryl sulphonamides are known carbonic anhydrase inhibitors. |
@bendndi Sorry it's been so long but do you think you could dock the diamino variant of the lead compound eg: NC=1C2=C(N=C(N1)N)C=C(S2)C=2C=C(C=CC2)S(=O)(=O)N |
@drc007 Would be neat to screen topamax and acetazolamide against malaria! |
@MFernflower Topamax is a promiscuous drug with some serious adverse effects, I'm not sure it would be a useful starting point. Acetazolamide could well have been tested since it is most screening collections. Sulphonamides can cause allergic reactions (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17504660) but I don't know enough about the mechanism to say which might be a concern. |
@drc007 pertiant paper
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609187/#!po=45.7746
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Might be worth sending some Acetazolamide and/or Dorzolamide over to Dundee for our own potency eval? @mattodd
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@MFernflower Indeed, and there are a number of more recent publications suggesting CA as a good target. This together with the extensive availability of known CA inhibitors raises the question what is the stumbling block. @PaulWillisMMV @mattodd is there a particular problem with this approach? |
@mattodd would it be possible for you to phone up Dundee so you can set in
motion the screening of Dorzolamide?
Would be nice to get a base line potency of a pure CA hitter vs the s3 hit
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The primary issue with CA is one of selectivity versus host. It’s tricky sometimes. Not that this compound should be avoided or dropped, but go into it with eyes open!
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@MFernflower<https://github.com/MFernflower> Indeed, and there are a number of more recent publications suggesting CA as a good target. This together with the extensive availability of known CA inhibitors raises the question what is the stumbling block. @PaulWillisMMV<https://github.com/PaulWillisMMV> @mattodd<https://github.com/mattodd> is there a particular problem with this approach?
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Since we don't know activity at CA, and we don't know which (if any) kinase might be involved or the activity, I don't think you would be able to interpret any results. |
Thanks @mpollastri I suspected as much but did not want to skew the discussion. If selectivity is the primary issue then it needs to be addressed up front. There are plenty of known carbonic anhydrase inhibitors in the literature that could be used in any experiments. The key experiment would be something along the lines of taking a known CA inhibitor with measured activities at both human and parasite carbonic anhydrase. Then running an in vivo experiment to find the plasma concentrations at trough that are required for complete elimination of the parasite (not ID50). We also need to know the peak plasma concentrations after oral dosing at the efficacious dose. We can then try to predict the likely inhibition of the human CA that might be seen a peak plasma concentrations and whether this would be an issue. Hopefully we can then calculate what level of selectivity is required in a potential drug. We can then look at whether the level of selectivity is realistic before we commit any chemistry resources. |
^^^^ If that structure is accurate and is really able to kill at 200 nanomolar - what on earth could it be targeting? It looks super strange - almost like a ROCK inhibitor |
I feel we aught to at some point spin off the suspected CA inhibition to a issue in the s3 repo - things are getting super tangled especially with the s3 hit possibly being promiscuous! @drc007 since you seem more experienced with carbonic anhydrase could you open the issue? (When time permits ofcourse) |
Its actually TCMDC-134392. Its a GSK compound and it doesn't have an OSM number. But it does have an activity value of 0.23 uM |
It has been assigned OSM-S-590. |
Sure it is not http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.24574288.html |
Yes, I would also be interested to know if the Series 3 compounds block carbonic anhydrase. |
I've written a comparison of several bioactivity prediction packages. I included OSM-S-106 as a test compound, unsurprisingly Carbonic Anhydrase inhibition and a variety of kinase targets are flagged. |
@drc007 here is another free service that could be worth testing
http://www.swisstargetprediction.ch/
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I've written a comparison of several bioactivity prediction packages.
https://www.macinchem.org/reviews/bioactivities/bioactivities.php
I included OSM-S-106 as a test compound, unsurprisingly Carbonic Anhydrase
inhibition and a variety of kinase targets are flagged.
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@MFernflower That uses pretty old version of ChEMBL (v16) and I don't think it as been updated since 2103? |
@drc007 that could explain why it sometimes returns screwy results |
I received a small grant to support experimental, biochemical testing of potential targets for Series 3 (#549) through partnerships with the wonderful core labs (NMR, mass spectrometry, X-ray crystallography, protein expression) of the University of Kansas.
Current approaches that we discussed include:
Recombinant expression of candidate kinase/kinase-like targets as discussed in Series 3 compounds targeting PKA #549. We would prefer to start with those with published expression protocols and that can be expressed in E. coli. We would test for inhibitor binding by saturation transfer difference NMR. We would start by testing our top 5 candidates.
Screening of inhibitors against fractions of Plasmodium lysate or enriched lysate, preferably from a non-infectious Plasmodium species or sterilized P. falciparum. We would screen by STD NMR, affinity mass spectrometry, or by something like DARTS (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4442491/). Anyone know of a source of Plasmodium lysate?
Your idea here! Note that target identification is considered difficult and non-routine.
I will keep this sub-project open and under the umbrella and spirit of OSM.
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