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Relation between Item and Location #2
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The current (soon outdated) DAIA Ontology includes the class Let me elaborate with an example of an Item (a copy of a document) that is held by an Agent (a library):
To obtain the general location (where an item belongs, no matter whether it is actually there at the moment) one could look up the location (address, coordinates..) of To express the current location, one could just use
One could also decide not to distinguish "current" and "general" location. E.g. the location of a copy of a book on loan is the library, although the copy is actually at the patron's home. I am not sure whether this could also be used for digital items. What's the location of a digital copy? To express the location where an item is made available, one must specify what is meant by "made available". For instance an item can be made available for loan. In this case the location is a property of the loan service event:
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Just a short note: You shouldn't use dct:spatial in this context as dct:spatial relates a resource to a spatial thing the resource is about ("Spatial Coverage").
Thus, dct:spatial belongs to the realm of subject indexing and doesn't fit in this context. |
Hmm? What about using CIDOC CRM?
Besides I think there is still the problem to give the item a label for its location(s). |
My crm suggestion does not allow services to be related to |
Maybe this could look like
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Why I don't receive mails from this issue? |
I strongly doubt that we need to define new classes and properties for locations and if so, these should better be placed in another ontology instead of polluting the holding ontology. We should first agree on what is actually meant by "the location of an item". If the location should be any "spatial region or named place", then dct:Location is fine. If we want restriction to physical places, maybe schema:Place or geo:SpatialThing are better choices. |
All right! Now I got an email from this issue. |
@cKlee What's the "label of an item in the context of a location" or a "naming as a spatial feature"?! Can you give some real world examples, please? Both items and locations can have multiple labels (simple triples), but combining item, name, and location smells like an n-ary relationship. |
Perhaps @hagbeck has some thoughts about utilizing CIDOC CRM for holdings data as he has extensive knowledge on CIDOC CRM... |
@nichtich What about n-ary relationships? An item may have multiple locations, right? For instance the last volume of a journal is available in the reading room shelf and the rest is on stack. The part in the reading room gets an extra label or tag or sticker or else with a local callnumber. That is in my opinion a "label of an item in the context of a location". When I look in our reading room I can give you a real world example. But I'm too lazy now. There are certainly other local features which all come together if an item is in the context of a location. E.g. it can have an extra comment ("Benutzung nur im Lesesaal"), or a moving wall (like I mentioned the last volume). In the latter case there is the need for an other ontology (moving wall ontology). I'm open for everything what can help to express such things. Maybe I'm thinking to complicated again. But I think there is the need for n-ary relationships in this case. |
If an n-ary relationships is needed one might consider using the open annotation model. Bibframe uses a similar approach for holding information so this might work. If you provide a concrete example, I will try to model it tomorrow using the OA model. |
@acka47 ZDB Pica example: Title: Item: 4800 is the institution/building. 7800 is the item id. 7100 the global callnumber. 7109 !!...!! is the site/place (its a literal). ((...)) is a comment to the local callnumber HB... . |
@cKlee: if an item has multiple locations that it's either a digital item with multiple, identical copies, or it is a physical items that contains of multiple items, each with a different location. As long as these item parts are cluttered in one RDF resource, it makes no sense to further distinguish locations. Given your ZDB example I see two possible ways to model in RDF:
Both variants have their own disadvantages, but these disadvantages rather origin from the Pica data than the way it is mapped to RDF. |
@nichtich What does the Pica data has to do with this? The item is a copy of a document. If the document is series with multiple parts, then the item has multiple parts too. Thus you have to describe the parts through a single item, like you did it in the second example.
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@cKlee At least one disadvantage is the lack of identifiers for parts of items, so one has to deal with blank nodes. By the way one could also combine both variants:
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@nichtich Just a quick comment on blank nodes: With this kind of material we trying to describe, there is no way around blank nodes. Avoiding blank nodes where you can is a good thing (even if you don't know why). But if it is necessary at another point, in the end the data haverster has to deal with blank nodes anyway. In this case I see the disadvantege of a missing identifier: If a part (a b-node) is connected to a place, it might be very difficult to ask: Which items are located at Place X? Because what you get as the answer is the b-node. But with the dso services it is the same:
Which items are available for a dso:Loan at Place X? Answer: a b-node. So if we stick with this, there is still the open question what relates an item/part an a location? |
In the past years I have dealt with CIDOC CRM within the context of archaeological and bibliographical metadata and their linking. As a result the necessity to describe the relation between 'items' respectively 'physical object' and their 'location' transpired. efrbroo:F5_Item subClassOf ecrm:E84_Information_Carrier subClassOf ecrm:E22_Man-Made Object subClassOf ecrm:E19_Physical_Object subClassOf ecrm:E18_Physical_Thing . ecrm:E18_Physical_Thing ecrm:P53_has_former_or_current_location ecrm:E53_Place . ecrm:E19_Physical_Object ecrm:P55_has_current_location ecrm:E53_Place . ecrm:E53_Place ecrm:P87_is_identified_by ecrm:E44_Place_Appellation . ecrm:E53_Place ecrm:P89_falls_within ecrm:E53_Place . e.g.(last volume): @prefix rdf: http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns# . # RDF Site Summary (RSS) 1.0 @prefix rdfs: http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema# . # RDF Schema vocabulary (RDFS) @prefix ecrm: http://erlangen-crm.org/120111/ . @prefix efrbroo: http://erlangen-crm.org/efrbroo/120219/ . @prefix f5: http://example.org/frbroo/F5/ . @prefix e53: http://example.org/crm/E53/ . @prefix e44: http://example.org/crm/E44/ . f5:242635490 a efrbroo:F5_Item ; ecrm:P55_has_current_location e53:Lesesaal ; rdfs:label "HB 17 Rg 500" . e53:Lesesaal a ecrm:E53_Place ; ecrm:P87_is_identified_by e44:Lesesaal ; ecrm:P89_falls_within e53:HausPotsdamerStraße . e44:Lesesaal a ecrm:E44_Place_Appellation ; rdfs:label "Lesesaal" . e53:HausPotsdamerStraße a ecrm:E53_Place ; ecrm:P87_is_identified_by e44:HausPotsdamerStraße ; ecrm:P89_falls_within e53:StaBi . e44:HausPotsdamerStraße a ecrm:E44_Place_Appellation ; rdfs:label "Haus Potsdamer Straße" . e53:StaBi a ecrm:E53_Place ; ecrm:P87_is_identified_by e44:StaBi . e44:StaBi a ecrm:E44_Place_Appellation ; rdfs:label "Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin - Preußischer Kulturbesitz" . I would make a connection between "Zsn 70488" and "HB 17 Rg 500" in the following way: @prefix e78: http://example.org/crm/E78/ . f5:242635490 a efrbroo:F5_Item ; ecrm:P46_forms_part_of e78:Zsn70488 ; rdfs:label "HB 17 Rg 500" . e78:Zsn70488 a ecrm:E78_Collection ; rdfs:label "Zsn 70488" . According to FRBR a current 'serial work' has not a manifestation of its own and consequently no item. Therefore '7100' (in this case "Zsn 70488") is not the 'identifier' of an item, but rather of a sort of collection. |
@acka47 @nichtich I have some problems with the identifiers you use ( But without these identifiers it could look like this:
What I'm missing in CIDOC-CRM is a relation between a place and a organisation/group/legal body. This way a place could have an ownership li
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@cKlee I don't think that "ownership" of a place is the right terminology, e.g. the rooms an institution is located in often are rented. I better like the approach of the organization ontology (http://www.w3.org/ns/org) relating an organization to a site. You could use org:site for for the relation between a place and an organisation: <http://ld.zdb-services.de/resource/organisations/DE-1a> http://www.w3.org/ns/org#site $place. We didn't use the org ontology in lobid.org though, as you have many blank nodes if you want to relate an organization to its site adress. (One problem is that org ontology proposes using the vcard:Vcard class instead of relating a site directly to the adress data via vcard:adr. See e.g. https://wiki1.hbz-nrw.de/display/SEM/Organization+Ontology) |
@acka47 @nichtich @hagbeck @dini-ag-kim/bestandsdaten I was thinking if the relation between an item and a location is always connect with a service? But it would be more complicated to pull this information from the data. E.g. the item at location X is available for presentation but not for loan. The advantage is to get rid of the
But this time the local label "HB 17 Rg 500" got lost :-( Here we are again with dct:hasPart
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Just for the sake of completeness. As I announced, I had a look into the Open Annotation Model regarding representation of holdings. Actually, I don't see the benefit of using an annotation to express a holding. And if you would like to use OA you'd have to define a lot new properties, I believe. That's what I arrived at: <http://ld.zdb-services.de/resource/2668162-6>
a bibo:Periodical ;
dc:title "IHS Jane's space systems & industry" .
<http://staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/annotation/01>
a oa:Annotation ;
oa:annotatedBy <http://ld.zdb-services.de/resource/organisations/DE-1a> ;
oa:hasTarget <http://ld.zdb-services.de/resource/2668162-6> ;
oa:hasBody _:Body ;
oa:motivatedBy ex:Holding .
_:Body
a ex:Holding ;
ex:holdingInstitution <http://ld.zdb-services.de/resource/organisations/DE-1a> ;
ex:item <http://staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/item/242635490> .
<http://staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/item/242635490>
dct:hasPart [
rdfs:label "Zsn 70488"
] ,
[
rdfs:label "HB 17 Rg 500" ;
daia:availableFor [
a dso:Presentation
] ;
event:place [
org:siteOf <http://ld.zdb-services.de/resource/organisations/DE-1a> ;
rdfs:label "Leesesaal"
]
] ;
] . As you can see, the problems that are going to be solved here, won't be solved with OA but there is just a level of indirection added. I really would like to know how they are going to express holdings as annotations in Bibframe... The benefit of using the OA approach is, though, that you easily could document provenance information (Who did when add which holding information?). The drawbacks are that you would basically move the representation problem to another level... |
@acka47 @nichtich @dini-ag-kim/bestandsdaten @cKlee Take in account that an item at a location is always connected with an service.
A dso:Presentation is a ssso:ServiceEvent which can be limited through a ssso:ServiceLimitation. What I think we can do is limit the service to a part of an item. The part of the item is only identified through a literal value "HB 17 Rg 500". Now give the part of the item, identified through its literal value, to the service limitation as it's value.
When I'm not totally wrong here, then
is the same as
This gives us the whole description
Does this make sense? |
@cKlee How do you assume that the following graphs equal? Did I miss some basic inference rule?
I'd prefer not to use |
@nichtich @dini-ag-kim/bestandsdaten @hagbeck @acka47 @dr0i @cKlee It convinced me that both are nodes, and both nodes have no name but only a vaue. I can't see any differernce. But as I said, don't let us stress this here. If nobody objects we will go with |
In SSSO I added a section on service locations. I suppose the most popular properties are For document services ( location where an item is made available ), one can use both, To specify the location of a holding item, independent of document services ( current location ), we may need to craft a new To specify the location of the holding institution ( general location ), one could use |
How should a relation between an item and a location be defined?
or
other ideas?
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