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# Meeting
30 Min Meeting between Ellis Crosby and Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor,Ellis Crosby

## Transcript
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<v Ellis Crosby>At least showing you how the auth works.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So the key, I mean yeah, the main structure is it's fast API basically as you said, fast API serving


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<v Ellis Crosby>HTMX and I think Alpine J's or to, honestly the J's kind of diverges between alpine.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, yeah. I found that. I've been using Alpine for some things and then HTMX for others.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah. And like as long as the AI knows what's going on I just let it slide.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. Just yellow.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah. So I have all my templates in here.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I have my roots in this one and the top level I have this auth and this database, actually know


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<v Ellis Crosby>the database which at the moment I have auth main and models.


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<v Ellis Crosby>This is, this is the part I just usually drop into any of the pocket based projects.


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<v Ellis Crosby>It looks a bit gnarly but yeah, you don't need to worry about too much. It's very reusable.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So basically in here there's


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<v Ellis Crosby>register user loginuser register users which is a case of adding a.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, this is a bit weird. This is what it recommended.


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<v Michael Taylor>And I was like wait, why are we not hashing the password?


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<v Michael Taylor>And apparently it does hash it on the other side.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Right, exactly. Yeah. Similar with, you can set up like Oauth.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I haven't really used it too much in the past but you can also do oauth which is a different


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<v Ellis Crosby>function. And then with logging in it's a similar kind of thing that you get this,


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<v Ellis Crosby>you have this like token, you get the user and then you have like a token that you can drop


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<v Ellis Crosby>into the cookies to.


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<v Michael Taylor>And it uses like server based, like cookies basically. That's the best on the request. That's the best.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I don't think it's the best. It's good enough.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. What I mean is it works. It's fine.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, it works. So I haven't found any reason to change it.


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<v Ellis Crosby>And then I also have to sort of like make sure that all of the different functions or use it.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I dropped that into, well I have like the,


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<v Ellis Crosby>the pocket base client as sort of part of the app just like it.


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<v Michael Taylor>Oh cool, okay. Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Interesting. Yeah.


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<v Michael Taylor>So that we've, you don't need to like import it I guess.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Exactly. It just for the. Um, for registering, I just re initialize it here.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Um, doesn't really make too much of a difference, but with the like, as the user's moving to the app,


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<v Ellis Crosby>you just basically like um, have the request going into every function and then from that request you can grab


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<v Ellis Crosby>the app and then grab the database through there.


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<v Ellis Crosby>And then you just sort of assist it a little bit more. Makes it a bit easier to, to handle.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Otherwise you end up with getting locked out.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, because I'm running into a bug at the minute with mine, but yeah.


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<v Michael Taylor>I wonder if it's maybe because I didn't do this.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I mean this, I also had something, I only put this in fairly recently and before that there was


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<v Ellis Crosby>a few cases where the user just get logged out or I just couldn't find the user.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I don't know, it just. Cool.


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<v Ellis Crosby>But yeah, this key part and then this getuser function of most of the routes.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So just checking which users, checking if a user is logged in and then if they are grabbing all associated


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<v Ellis Crosby>things with that user. Bear with me. I just realized I have this. If you have the same thing.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I have this weird thing whenever I have a fast API.


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<v Ellis Crosby>If I shut down the app, the address stays sort of reserved for a little bit and I have to


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<v Ellis Crosby>use this little thing to.


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<v Michael Taylor>Oh really? Yeah, no, no, I haven't had that issue.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, it's happened recently on my laptop. The plot gets sort of held after like close them.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I'll say that. Yeah. There's no, there's no real functionality in the app at the moment.


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<v Ellis Crosby>This one, the idea was it would be like an AI, like database Ui for non technical people.


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<v Michael Taylor>Oh nice. So you can just chat to your database basically.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like I had a client that was annoying me about something, so I was trying to build this just so


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<v Ellis Crosby>they could do things themselves. But yeah, it has at least the auth part working. So yeah,


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<v Ellis Crosby>currently I don't have any of the email service set up.


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<v Michael Taylor>I was wondering how that works.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I'll show you the marketplace. It's pretty easy to set them up.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like sort of similar to superbase, to be honest.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah.


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<v Michael Taylor>So when you just, you just registered a user and then you went to log in and then log that


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<v Michael Taylor>user in. That was the bug I was having actually, is when I register, I tried to.


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<v Michael Taylor>Authenticate the user then as well, but it doesn't seem to work.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So, like, that directly.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, so what?


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<v Michael Taylor>I mean, normally when you register for an app, it would log you straight in, if that makes sense.


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<v Michael Taylor>And that was the. It didn't work with this setup.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I've actually never added that, but I wonder if it would just be a case of, like, just


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<v Michael Taylor>running, like, login user afterwards or something.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess you already have the password they put in.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, let me double check on the.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I mean, to be honest. Yeah, I guess you probably could see if that would work, actually,


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<v Michael Taylor>because I can imagine people getting confused if they register and then they're like, oh, wait, now I'm not, like,


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<v Michael Taylor>logged in yet, or they have to log in again.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Okay.


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<v Michael Taylor>I mean, yeah, don't worry about that right now, but I'll dig into it.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I guess if you can sort of potentially push that back to the login post.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I don't know if this is that interesting. It looks pretty standard on the way that I'm saying the cookies.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I don't know if that was anything we having any problems with as well, but I just sort of dropped


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<v Ellis Crosby>the token into this PBR.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, I think that's how it's working on my one as well. That called it for me.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Can't explain too much about this one, but, yes, that's.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I mean, I can send you this as well. Like, this isn't.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>If you don't mind


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<v Ellis Crosby>the dream that everyone has of building a boilerplate.


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<v Michael Taylor>I know, I know. Yeah.


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<v Michael Taylor>It's probably just me procrastinating, but I do find that not having a boilerplate is really limiting me in terms


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<v Michael Taylor>of. It's giving me an excuse not to ship stuff.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it takes so long to go through all the process. Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So I'll send you the code. There's nothing particularly interesting going on here, I don't think. Yeah, there's a refresh.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I'll send you more detail, but, yeah, basically they log in various.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Routes for the pages, the actual app, we just try and call out the user function in auth if it


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<v Ellis Crosby>exists, and then use that in queries.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like use write id using bucket based queries, like pulling in projects that they have information associated with that.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. Do you, is there anything special you have to do?


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<v Michael Taylor>So like if I'm, if I'm, if I'm like, say, if you're adding a new project for a client or


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<v Michael Taylor>whatever, like say not just the user collection, but like if you make your own collection, do you have to


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<v Michael Taylor>create it in pocket space first or.


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<v Michael Taylor>That was the other bug I ran into just before this call was like, I tried to send something off,


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<v Michael Taylor>like add it. For me, it was like a testimonials app.


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<v Michael Taylor>So I add a testimonial, but it ended up like it rejected it.


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<v Michael Taylor>So I haven't had a chance to look into it yet.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, so it's, yeah, so I'm not sure if you use superbase too much, but it's a similar kind of


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<v Ellis Crosby>setup where you have to add rules to the tables as to who can do what.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So if I jump into the interface for that one.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So within each collection, if you hit edits, there's these API rules as a default.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I think they, I think they just show us like, I think they just show us like locks for everything.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So basically no one can do anything at the start.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So you have to add in the rules of list, view, creates, et cetera.


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<v Michael Taylor>Okay, so if that basically means like if there, if they are that user, they can see, they can list


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<v Michael Taylor>or search.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Exactly.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So this is just like there has to be a user and the user has to use the id, has


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<v Ellis Crosby>to match the user's user column. So to be honest, I just packed the info. All of them.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I guess if it was like a testimonials app, you probably have a different rule for viewing.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, if you leave it empty. Yeah, everyone can view those.


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<v Ellis Crosby>That's the part that usually trips me up on super bass.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I think they have an error message that is a bit clearer on why you can't add the row, but


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<v Ellis Crosby>with pocket base, it'll just sort of reject that. Yeah. The logs themselves are usually a bit more helpful.


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<v Ellis Crosby>The API response probably won't say much, but if you go in here, you can sometimes see like, yeah, this


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<v Ellis Crosby>one.


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<v Michael Taylor>Oh yeah, yeah. This one says the resource wasn't found. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good.


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<v Michael Taylor>No rows and the result set.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah. Or like if you don't set up the rules correctly, then only admins can.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I really like the logs actually. It's good.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, the logs are a lot better than super basic


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<v Michael Taylor>logs and miles better than Google cloud. Yeah, that's a low bar.


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<v Michael Taylor>So when you make that.


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<v Michael Taylor>So with that collection, do you just make the API call just like in your app?


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<v Michael Taylor>Like you just code it and then it just creates the columns and everything?


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<v Michael Taylor>Or do you have to go and create the collection first?


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<v Ellis Crosby>So I always just create the collection. I don't know if there's an easier way of handling migrations.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I did have a go at making just, if you have admin access, if you're authenticated with an admin account,


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<v Ellis Crosby>you can make tables through the API. So I was trying to build a script of just seeing it.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I have the models in here anyway, so trying to make a script that just goes through this, checks if


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<v Ellis Crosby>the tables exist and then embrace them if not, which never really worked out that well and I couldn't go


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<v Ellis Crosby>through all of the error messages to figure it out.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, so far I just, I just go in here and create a table manual.


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<v Ellis Crosby>But it would be possible to do that. You can also like import collections from a JSON.


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<v Ellis Crosby>So if you wanted to do a fast way, you could probably just grab all of the things in here,


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<v Ellis Crosby>get cloud to convert that to a JSON and then import it. Let's get closer.


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<v Michael Taylor>Cool. Okay. Yeah. Interesting.


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<v Michael Taylor>Oh, I guess this is good for like if you wanted to like switch to a new pocket base.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that quite a bit sometimes. That set up in the right railway project.


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<v Ellis Crosby>But yeah, it's very easy to copy this. And then database migrations.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I just usually query all of the tables and then inside the backup. But yes, it's a pretty easy process.


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<v Michael Taylor>Cool.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, that's interesting. What else is there?


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<v Ellis Crosby>Is there anything else that you have a question on or anything like that?


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<v Michael Taylor>I guess so.


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<v Michael Taylor>If I understand your flow correctly, you would are using pocket base locally or are you just setting up railway


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<v Michael Taylor>straight away?


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<v Ellis Crosby>I set it up on railway straight away.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Just to ask. Just because it's so easy to do that. Even like my dev instances is up there. Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like I've tried the local one but I don't know, I never really found much like need to do it


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<v Ellis Crosby>that way. Like I'm always online anyway, so. Yeah, I'm not sure if you've tried unreal way yet, but.


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<v Michael Taylor>No, not yet.


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<v Ellis Crosby>It really is like a one click


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<v Ellis Crosby>sort of thing. Like they have a template.


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<v Ellis Crosby>They have a templates. If you search for, it's this one here with like 965 installs.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, just click it, it deploys and once it's deployed you can grab like the pocket base.


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<v Ellis Crosby>All you need at the start is the public URL, which I think will happen in a second once it's


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<v Ellis Crosby>deployed. Yeah, basically you copy that URL. And then that's just like something you can dump into the environment variables.


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<v Ellis Crosby>There will be actually show you something on a different project. It's a different stack, but it is still a.


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<v Ellis Crosby>This is one where it's sveltekit front end and a


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<v Ellis Crosby>fast API backend. With this one I did,


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<v Ellis Crosby>I needed to have a.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Actually, sorry. I was going to show you how I was authenticating it.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I thought I was doing as an admin. I think I'm not.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Okay, actually I think I probably just have this project with no limits on the table, which is a bit


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<v Ellis Crosby>dodgy, but yeah. Anyway, so what I should have done is authenticating as an admin. Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Which I did a lot with super base, but it's basically like a separate, separate function that is.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, there's. Isn't there a URL you can visit that to create like an admin account?


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah. So the first time.


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<v Ellis Crosby>The first time you deploy it, you need to go into the interface to create your admin account.


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<v Ellis Crosby>To get to the interface.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, I think it's just that it's an underscore afterwards, isn't it?


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>And like the first time, wait, actually deploys, but first time you run it, you go through this like setup


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<v Ellis Crosby>process.


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<v Michael Taylor>And then after that,


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<v Michael Taylor>how much does it cost on the railway? So you said like it was like an empty setup.


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<v Michael Taylor>Because I haven't used railway yet, actually.


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<v Ellis Crosby>It's.


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<v Ellis Crosby>You pay, you pay only usage, to be honest, for these ones, I have no idea what the actual cost


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<v Ellis Crosby>is. The things that cost a lot on railway are like big databases.


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<v Michael Taylor>So it's pretty cheap then.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yes, this is one with, this is actually a pretty big database.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I think it has 500 log articles with images as well. And that's about $13 a month.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Okay, cool. Yeah, it's mostly just the, like, the app itself doesn't cost that much. It's just the database. So.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah. You can also probably plug that into a database somewhere else.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. And then you're also launching your fast API app on a railway as well.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, exactly. And again, that's a pretty, pretty easy thing. Like you need to drop a piece of profile.


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<v Ellis Crosby>It's like. Yeah, just like one file you put in just so it deploys. But yeah, it's a pretty easy.


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<v Michael Taylor>Oh, literally just that. So that just tells it what to run.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah, exactly.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like for fast API, you need to have like this port and variable, but apart from that, it's just a


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<v Ellis Crosby>case of like this if you want to have more workers.


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<v Michael Taylor>And then railway just charged you based on the number of workers or like the usage.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, exactly. Which again is usually fair too.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Cool. I think the one you sent I found also looked like a similar kind of thing to railway.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, well, fly IO.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah. I imagine it's a similar process on there.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. The reason I used fly, which is quite nice. Yeah.


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<v Michael Taylor>And they similar, like they do a prop file and stuff.


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<v Michael Taylor>And that's also like a pretty nice stack because you've got your own database there and you're not dependent on


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<v Michael Taylor>But I wanted to explore pocket base just because it's more like that super based type experience but actually even


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<v Michael Taylor>And then the benefit is, is then you don't like because the database is separate from the fast API application.


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<v Michael Taylor>Now you can deploy a fast API separately like this because previously I hadn't tried railway yet and I was


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<v Michael Taylor>When I worked with James on these things, his stack is he has next JS or typescript as a front


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<v Michael Taylor>Google Cloud run and then we have Google Cloud storage and Google postgres and it just becomes an absolute nightmare


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<v Michael Taylor>But yeah, even Superbase is still quite, quite complicated I think because you have to do migrations and all that.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, I do like superbass.


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<v Ellis Crosby>It's just like with the, like with the one like sort of have them deploying on their platform.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like their superb storage is, requires like two separate services and connect them and it's a bit of a pain


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<v Michael Taylor>And then um, he has like a script where you can generate all the types from um, you know, from


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<v Michael Taylor>But, but like both for the next Js typescript app and also for the fast API backend.


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<v Michael Taylor>So that's quite a nice flow.


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<v Michael Taylor>I think his stack is probably good to use if you're putting a serious application production for f 500 client.


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<v Michael Taylor>But mostly what I really want to do is dumb everything down so that I don't have to think about


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<v Michael Taylor>And I'm just like, I've got a Jupyter notebook and then I'm just going to dump it and then now


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, and like this, like this stack is just so easy to do that kind of thing because everything is


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<v Ellis Crosby>So you can just drop in a notebook and say like, yeah, do this, make this interface and you can


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<v Ellis Crosby>Do the backend first, deploy that, do the front end. Get it all matching up, which is just a pneumonia.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, exactly. It just ends up being quite a big process.


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<v Michael Taylor>Because if you're just solo developer, you don't really need to work branches and you don't really need to worry


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<v Michael Taylor>about um, you know, deployment and processes and like you can just yellow everything into main and, and just get


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, absolutely. Deploy everything to play some main every five minutes.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. The peter levels approach. Don't know if you listen to his latest podcast on them.


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<v Michael Taylor>He was on Lex Freeman's podcast.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I haven't, I've seen highlights, but I haven't committed to the entire thing just yet.


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<v Michael Taylor>Oh man, it's so, so good. It's so funny.


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<v Michael Taylor>But, but like he specifically, one of the things he said is that he has like a keyboard hotkey to


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<v Ellis Crosby>That's so funny. Yeah, well, that plus he doesn't really, like, leave the house.


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<v Ellis Crosby>If something breaks, he can fix it within, like, ten minutes.


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<v Michael Taylor>That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay, so, yeah, this is really useful. Yeah.


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<v Michael Taylor>If you don't mind sending the auth pie. That'd be, like, anything you can send me.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Be really useful.


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<v Michael Taylor>Just compare it against what Claude wrote for me and seed, because, yeah, I'm spending today just debugging, kind of


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<v Michael Taylor>stuff. Yeah, sure.


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<v Michael Taylor>I mean, if you want to team up on this as, like, a project and get, like, you know, stick


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<v Michael Taylor>it on Gumroad and split the revenue or something, I'm happy to do that as well, but it just depends


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<v Michael Taylor>on what you want to do. I think we'd need to, like, just go through and test.


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<v Michael Taylor>It all works and stuff on stripe and everything. That would be a bit of a slogan.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, that.


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<v Ellis Crosby>That's the main thing that, like, that's not the block that I've had for putting this out as a bullet


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<v Ellis Crosby>so far. Just a camouflage with stripe. Yes. Everything else is relatively easy, but stripe is.


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<v Michael Taylor>Cool. Yeah, I think that. I think that was pretty much everything. Yeah.


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<v Michael Taylor>I'll keep you in the loop on what I figure out as well with it, but, yeah, like, goal is


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<v Michael Taylor>I've got about a list of, like, ten different ideas I want to pump out, so I'm just gonna start


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, well, like. Well, yeah, I. Yeah, like, I think I've.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, I'm trying to figure out, like, how long to work on different things before I give up on them,


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<v Michael Taylor>but. But, like, what. What I'm realizing is, with quite a lot of them, I'm doing, like, ten customer calls.


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<v Michael Taylor>Whatever, once I built the prototype, and then. And then it's like, you know, there's no demand, really.


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<v Michael Taylor>So if I can get that down to a week, then I can cycle through four times faster, is my


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, I guess if it's down to a week, then it's also easy to just respond to.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Demand right now, a lot of the things I work on, it just comes from, like, calls my wife has


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<v Ellis Crosby>And she passed on to me, but sometimes it just takes, like, a month to get, like, an MVP to


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, yeah. And even just, like, side projects and stuff, you know, none of these things work out. Yeah.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Awesome. Yeah, I'll send that over to you. Let me know how it goes.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah, I do think that's a good idea, by the way, to get Claude to write the documentation and do


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<v Michael Taylor>a pr. That's. Yeah, I think that would help.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yeah, yeah, I think it's really hurting. Like, the amount of people using pocket base.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like, the guy's like, yeah, just go into this website and pythonize everything yourself.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Like, it would be so easy to just go through. And, like, he did literally take all of the functions.


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<v Ellis Crosby>It's just. Yeah, instead of camera case, it's like, what we call it, snake case. Yeah, imagine Claude.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. And, like, the nice thing, actually, is that Claude seems to. Does seem to understand pocket bass fairly well.


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<v Michael Taylor>Yeah. Cool. All right, thanks, mate. I really appreciate this.


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<v Michael Taylor>And, yeah, also send me invoice for the time as well when you get a chance to.


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<v Michael Taylor>It says, actually, I'll send you the.


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<v Michael Taylor>I'll send you in slack, the company name and stuff if you don't have it.


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<v Michael Taylor>Is slack the best place? Or actually, I could do Twitter if that's easier.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Yes. Cool.


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<v Michael Taylor>All right, cheers, mate.


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<v Ellis Crosby>I see you later.


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<v Michael Taylor>Take care.


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<v Ellis Crosby>Bye.